September 16, 2010 12:30 AM - 1:30 PM ET • Mark Halpert
About this TalkAs a parent, you are a critical member of your child's IEP team. Join NCLD's Parent Leader, Mark Halpert, as he shares options for what you can do if you think your child's IEP isn't doing enough to help your child and how to make sure your child is on track for achieving his or her full potential if they have a 504 plan rather than an IEP.
Transcriptlynn robinson-williams My son has LD among other things. Some have been addressed, while others only looked over. How can I get them paid attention to without being pushing, or rude, or a just another in the way mother? I don't think his IEP is addressing everything. Mark Halpert Good question. It all starts with PLP or Present Level of Performance. If there is an area where your son is under-performing — does everyone agree, and can you turn it into a goal? When a parent comes into the IEP meeting with the Present Level of Performance and a goal written, you have leveled the playing field. WENDI MOORE Hello, I have a 13-year-old nonverbal special needs child with autism. I have been paying a tremendous amount of money out of pocket to help my daughter with her social skills. She is in swimming, music therapy, tae kwon do etc., My daughter has no friends outside of school so I keep her around other children after school. Can my Cleveland district me assist me in paying for the classes and can this situation be strategically written into the IEP to state how this will benefit her learning ability? Mark Halpert All services provided need to be tied to an IEP goal. Schools will tend to offer in house services, most likely with a social worker or a social skills group to address a situation like you describe. D. Streb What should I bring to an IEP meeting to make sure that I've got my bases covered? Mark HalpertYou should be sure to bring the following:
- Previous IEP with your comments
- Outside evaluations
- Your data on Present Level of Performance
- Your observations on what is working and what is not
- Your spouse, your child and a 3rd party
- Pre-written goals — the school will likely have their version and you should have yours
- An open mind — sometimes schools and parents will be on the same page and sometimes there is a real clash — be open to a collaborative meeting
Laurie Clothier Is the 504 plan usable in a private school setting? What can I ask of the public school in my district to do for me if my daughter is enrolled in private school Mark Halpert Private schools are only responsible for 504 plan if they take federal money (for free lunches or other programs). We have found that some private schools will make 504 like accommodations with a collaborate approach and asking nicely. Kim Yeomans What can you do when your district refuses measurable goals and valid,objective instruments to measure progress? The NJ DOE complaint process is non-effective and due process is too expensive and takes too long. Mark Halpert When a school refuses to set measurable goals or will not agree to tougher goals, contact a local parent organization or the Learning Disabilities Association of New Jersey.
I would refuse to sign the IEP and suggest we reconvene when the principal can be there. Objective (measurable) and stretch (challenging, bur realistic) goals are the cornerstone of an effective IEP and do not sign the IEP until you are satisfied. Judith Green Being a resident in the state of NY, my daughter is in a regents curriculm. Can a regents exam be read to the student and can a student's response to test questions be verbalized to a transcriber? Mark HalpertIn most states, New York included, tests cannot be read to students where they are trying to test reading but can be read for math, science or other subjects. LD.org has a great Parent Advocacy brief on this topic, Understanding High-Stakes Testing. Tricia Offutt What can schools do to better support and work cooperatively with parents during the IEP process? Are there any common mistakes you think schools make in this area? Mark HalpertSchools could do a lot more to help parents:
- First, I think they could share as much as possible about present level of performance before the meeting.
- I would like to see the meeting between three or four school personnel and the parents and others--too often we have seen parents outnumbered eight or nine to one.
- Encourage both the parents and the child to come.
- Set more challenging goals. In business we are not expected to hit every goal nor should schools be expected to do so. We need to collectively set more ambitious goals.
- Share resources that are available--Bookshare is a good example.
- Expect the staff to be collaborative.
Valorie Ebie Our son was labeled "MR" due to his diagnosis of Down Syndrome. His teacher says she's never had a student with the abilities Chase has, so our question is "Do we ask that he be mainstreamed for part of the school day?" Mark HalpertServices or placements need to be related to his goals. If your son is progressing far faster than they expected, two questions arise:
- Does his present performance indicate his capabilities may be greater than previous tests indicated and therefore updated testing may be in order?
- Should your child be mainstreamed, probably with support (e.g. an aide) for part of the day?
Both are possibilities -- we favor moving slowly. If mainstreaming is to be done, do it first for one class, then two, making sure he knows what to expect. terry hubbard my son is 19 years old he has central auditory disorder along with dysgrapia and dyslexia. there are no schools in new york that adresses his ld and his age. it is very hard for him to copy from the board. are there any lawyers in the tri state area who handle carter cases pro-bono? the school we found is located in New Jersey. Jennifer G. What are the five biggest mistakes you see in IEPs? Mark Halpert
- Not reviewing last year's goals and lessons learned
- Not having the Present Levels of Performance spelled out in objective terms for the key items
- Having a parent sign off on an IEP, even though they are not satisfied for with what has been agreed to
- Goals that are far too easy to accomplish
- Goals that are flat out not useful
Benjamin S. What should I bring to an IEP Meeting? Mark HalpertSeveral things including:
- Your copy of last year's IEP with your comments
- Your spouse, your child and a 3rd party -- could be a friend, but an advocate is suggested where the going is expected to be tough
- Present Levels of Performance, this could include:
- How often your child gets the assignment written correctly in their planner
- How long homework takes on an average night
- A Time Log for reading time -- how many hours have you read with your child over the last month
- Reading Comprehension -- too often we have seen schools say the child is reading OK, when a formal test would show the child is reading two grades below grade level -- we tend to focus on comprehension
- A draft set of goals. Let's say your child is reading at the 2.3 grade level -- which is two years below grade level; their standardized test score in reading comprehension is at the 33rd percentile; and homework is taking 2.5 hours, when the teacher says it should only take 40 minutes. Ben does not get his assignments written correctly in his planner 8 out of 10 days -- which causes incredible stress. Ben brings home the required books 5 out of 10 days. A good set of goals might be:
- Ben will be reading at the 4.3 grade level by this time next year -- at the rate of gaining 2 years each year, he will be at the 6.3 grade level two years from now -- or on grade level
- Ben will pass the Standardized Test for Reading -- which means he will be at the 45th percentile, or pass the Benchmark Tests by April 30th, that will allow him to be promoted to 5th grade
- The teacher will check every day that Ben has the assignments written correctly in his planner and has the required books every day
- Ben will only be required to do odd number math problems and will stop if Math is taking longer than 45 minutes
- When parents bring in a list of their commitments, it often changes the tone of the meeting from a battle to real collaboration. For the above example:
- Parents will check each day to make sure that Ben has the assignments as complete as possible and has placed the completed work in a place where Ben can find them
- Parents will read at least 25 minutes a night with Ben 5 nights a week
Karen Last year's IEP was not terribly effective -- should we still close out last year's IEP? Mark HalpertI believe you should. You may have the perception that the IEP was a waste, but until the team also sees that, there will not be agreement. We have seen many cases where the reading gain was .5 years, but the goals of answering questions correctly 4 out of 5 times was supposedly met. This highlights the need for meaningful objective measures. What if the team does not have Present Levels of Performance for key items? They may not have reading comprehension levels or spelling scores. Spelling scores are not nearly as important. I would preempt the challenge by:
- First asking that schools provide the Present Level of Performance for key items
- Math, Writing, Reading and Standardized Test scores -- with a 3-year perspective, where available
- If they come to the meeting without key material, I would consider either postponing the meeting, or not completing the IEP until the information is provided and the appropriate goals set
Susan L. Our school tends to set vague goals and they say they do not set goals for Standardized Test Scores Mark Halpert I ask them how they will assess my child, and they will often say by the Standardized Test Score or a Portfolio Assessment. I then say that if that is how the child will be assessed, then those are the items that goals must be set for -- and invite the principal in for the discussion -- the goals must be objective and need to include the key items. Jonathan B. We got to the Accommodations section and the school says my child does not need to have extra reading help to achieve the goal. Mark Halpert In most cases, the goal has then been set to low. You can go back and renegotiate a different goal. Sharon M. I have heard that Bookshare is an excellent tool for books on-line, but my school tells me that books on tape, CD or online are a crutch. Mark HalpertThere is too much evidence to support the value of services like Bookshare. When a child is reading a Social Studies book or a novel, and it is above their reading grade level, how would the school expect him to understand it? These services are included in over 90% of the IEPs we write. anonymous The Goal was well written, but the school is refusing services that I believe are necessary to achieve the goal Mark Halpert The first question I ask is, "Are they being realistic?"
There are times when parents are asking too much, but when I believe the request is valid, I ask for a Notice of Refusal to Provide Services and offer to write it up. Often this results in the school giving you the requested service. Ann What if I signed off on an IEP I now realize is not what my child needs? Mark Halpert You can request an Emergency IEP meeting. Anita If you were preparing for your child's IEP what are the five most important things you would do? Mark Halpert
- Review last year's IEP and have a good understanding of what worked, what did not work and lessons learned. I would also thank those people who were really helpful.
- Make sure the key players can attend -- my spouse, my child and a 3rd party. If my spouse cannot attend, I would reschedule, if possible.
- I would think about where we need Present Levels of Performance, provide those I can provide (e.g., homework time, how often assignments are written correctly, and how often the right books are brought home) and I may go outside for a Reading Comprehension Assessment
- Write goals -- the school will and the best prepared side often prevails. When I have come to meetings with pre-written goals, we usually prevail.
- Have an idea of accommodations that are needed
Bill My daughter has had two of the best teachers in the school the last two years. One worked out great and one was a disaster. The successful case was where the teacher used a multisensory approach, responded well to my daughter's questions, encouraged my daughter and communicated effectively with me. The other case was a teacher who talked at 100 miles per hour, made my child feel bad when she asked a question, and did not communicate effectively with me. The Special Education Professional said that was good information, but I could not pick my daughter's teacher. Mark HalpertThe Special Education Professional is right, but you can layout the characteristics of a teacher who would help your daughter to reach her goals:
- Teacher uses a multisensory approach
- Teacher responds well when a child asks questions
- Teacher encourages children
- Teacher communicates effectively with parents
Jane B. We have an IEP an were promised a pullout for Reading, Math and Writing. The school now says they only have enough money for Reading, and my son will have to just do his best in Math and Writing. How can I get my child the accommodations he deserves? Mark Halpert I would ask for a Denial of Services letter or write one and have the school sign it. I would send it to the principal first, then the superintendent and finally the State Director of Special Education -- if the issue warrants it.
Schools are denying services at an ever increasing rate and unless parents share the challenge, the officials have no way of knowing how often this is happening and addressing the challenge. Jodi Hosterman Are there any standards that help determine what amount of therapy is appropriate for a child? How do you argue for more time when a district says that "x" amount of time/number of therapies a week is the most that any of our students receive? Mark Halpert Great question.
It goes back to the goal and whether the prescribed time is sufficient to help your child to reach the goal
One can only push so far, but if they say the services they are offering will not be sufficient you have a real argument -- the key with getting the right services starts with having the right goal. Tanna How often should we meet with the teachers to discuss the IEP? Mark Halpert Parents meet with the team at least once a year.
As a parent, I always was in communications with teachers, and I would call for an interim IEP if there was a major issue -- schools need to call this IEP within a certain timeframe -- it is 10 days in Florida. Interim IEPs will become more common when districts do not provide the agreed upon accommodations. Beth How do we tie goals to standards? Beth Will goals for students working toward a special diploma look different from those working toward a standard diploma? Mark Halpert Yes - a standard diploma will have different requirements and the goals will be consistent with that. The Special Diploma is the right choice for some students, but be careful it may not be sufficient to get federal money for community colleges. Jodi Hosterman What is a district's obligation to conduct testing? How do you as a parent know what testing is appropriate and whether the ones being selected are being properly administered without bias toward the district's desired outcomes? Mark Halpert The Child Study Team that includes the parent decides what testing is needed. Normally the testing is to qualify a student for a disability and the testing is not biased towards an outcome. lynn My 12 yr old son was just moved out of the reading resource room. This is a good thing but do his IEP goals need to change? Does he still have an IEP if he is not in the resource room? He is now in an inclusion room for Reading. Mark Halpert An IEP is in place until it is discontinued by the team.
The question I have is whether he can achieve the reading goal without the resource room -- we have found that reading gains or other skills can be achieved better when they are in a resource room.
If the IEP calls for him to be in the resource room, the school should have to involve you in the process of deciding to change placement.
The goals do not need to change. Tanna I live in Nebraska and I have a son that NLD and APD. We have struggled getting help through the schools. Do you have any suggestions. I also have looked for local support groups and there is nothing. I am curious where I go from here. Mark HalpertLD.org has articles on both Auditory Processing Disorder and Non-verbal Learning Disabilities For local contacts, you can go to the Learning Disabilities of America Website and find a chapter in your state. Daren I have a 12 year old son with ADHD and a LD diagnosis. His IEP places a lower strain on him for homework yet I can already tell this early into the year that despite the IEP, my son is not going to keep up very well.
He is in grade 8 and the class has a helper who offers additional support for my son a few other similarly challenged children.
Regardless of the additional help and reduced workload, I'm not sure the school experience is set up in the most supportive way and may not be the right fit. Do you have any thoughts to offer on this? Mark Halpert Inclusion is not always the best placement. Where a child is not able to keep up with the class, a pullout may be far better. Also, there are many cases where there is a better placement elsewhere in the district -- and the school may not offer them to you. Be sure to ask other parents. mary Ocha How do you know if the school is right for your child when working with IEP or student support Mark HalpertThe two key considerations are:
- Is the present setting able to help your child achieve their goals?
- Is there a better placement in your district to help your child?
Jodi Hosterman You say we could be setting more challenging goals for our kids. Any suggestions on how a parent can encourage loftier goals -- which often require more work on the school's part -- without coming across like we think our child is the only one they are working with and are therefore being viewed as unreasonable? Mark Halpert Great question!
I will look at a child who is two years behind and you want the goal to be catching up within two years which will require your child to make up two years for each of the next two years.
You can help set the higher goals by sharing what you are doing at home -- some suggestions -- working on a vocabulary word a day where you have extensive conversations, reading for 20 minutes and having your child read and follow an audio book for 20 minutes -- this sets the tone for you doing more than your fair share.
The key is to frame the conversation around when your child will be back on grade level and being persistent. Joyce S. You mention bringing an advocate to an IEP meeting.
How should an advocate function in that role and what are the boundaries an advocate should observe? Mark Halpert A parent advocate works for you, so you should set the boundaries. I know advocates who are collaborative and those who will confront the school head on. I like to see advocates who know your child, who have helped you to set goals and will partner with you during the meeting. G
Make sure to get references from other parents like you. Sheri Freeman We have begged for weekly communication for years with the school system. And there is always a teacher who doesn't update their webpage or won't email us back what can we do?? Mark Halpert Good relations with the Special Education Specialist is important.
I would contact them and ask them if they want to resolve the issue or do they want you to contact the administration?
I believe it is important to get this right -- if the teacher continues to refuse -- I would ask for an interim meeting -- if they do cooperate I would write them a thank you note. Sheri Freeman How do I get my son's Present Level of Performance? Who do I ask? Mark HalpertAfter reviewing last year's IEP goals and results, the next part of the IEP meeting should be to share your child's present level of performance. Here is what I like to see:
- Schools provide at least grade level equivalents for reading comprehension and math
- Parents provide how much time is required to do homework and the issues involved -- if homework time is an issue or assignments are not written correctly
lynn How do I know what my childs Present Level of Performance is? I've been told my dyslexic son exceeded reading levels on state testing last yr but I know he struggles to read grade level material for class. I'm concerned that they will look at the state test scores and refuse to provide the assistance he needs to get through class work. How do I write IEP goals if they based everything on his state testing? Mark Halpert Ask for the Present Level of Performance in reading comprehension. Last year we had two students who were above grade level on the Florida Comprehensive Achievement Test (FCAT), and their reading comprehension was five and six grade levels below where they were in school.
Insist on a grade level the present level of performance for reading comprehension.
Today's Parent Talk has concluded. Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful questions and special thanks to our expert, Mark Halpert, for sharing his time and expertise with us today.
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